tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post456428979101794437..comments2023-05-14T11:54:09.648-04:00Comments on Becoming Missional: Missional - Missional Ministry must be generationalMissional Jerryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03496760677134661370noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-13409766563988881722007-04-30T10:40:00.000-04:002007-04-30T10:40:00.000-04:00hey rob, you're the one who took the nakedchurch w...hey rob, you're the one who took the nakedchurch wordpress blog name that we wanted ;)<BR/><BR/>our Revolution site is betherevolution.wordpress.com , you can see why we wanted nakedchurch.Makeeshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494813094595978277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-46936096166232274392007-04-30T08:49:00.000-04:002007-04-30T08:49:00.000-04:00Multigenerational ministry has always been necessa...Multigenerational ministry has always been necessary, but two factors make it moreso for today's church: we're living longer, and the pace of cultural change continues to accelerate.<BR/>I've seen no better treatment of intergenerationality than a talk three years ago by Ed Marcelle, pastor of Terra Nova in Troy, New York -- may I commend this audio cut to you:<BR/>http://www.acts29network.org/media<BR/>/audio/reformission/breakouts/marcelle/<BR/>110904_B2_pastoral_wisdom_Marcelle.mp3<BR/>(you'll need to make the above lines into one line for the link to work)<BR/><BR/>In it, Ed talks about inter-generational dynamics and the fact that in every group of people (church or other) there is an emerging generation (the younger leaders), an established generation (those who hold most influence), and a generation of emeriti, who have made their splash and aren't competing for the limelight any more, but who bring valuable wisdom to the table.<BR/>Each of these generations has unique strengths and unique vulnerabilities: The emerging generation is in touch with new ideas and vision but sometimes lacks the wisdom to understand long-term consequences. The established generation is at the top of its ability and influence, it has resources and the ability to get things done, but may expend too much energy on maintaining control. The older generation have wisdom and "big-picture" vision, but is increasingly out of touch with new ideas.<BR/>These are some of the ideas Marcelle fleshes out -- very worthwhile stuff.<BR/>Enjoy reading your blog! keep up the good work.<BR/>Rob<BR/>http://nakedchurch.wordpress.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285815810018813701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-91958041118201018732007-04-29T22:31:00.000-04:002007-04-29T22:31:00.000-04:00I have nothing more to say about the OP but Andy, ...I have nothing more to say about the OP but Andy, I wanted to thank you for sharing your experience. It's always so good for me as an American to hear other people's experiences from outside the US - - it's a lot of "oh yeah, I can totally see how that would be the case, I never thought of that before" :) so thanks.Makeeshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494813094595978277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-71207773759537769322007-04-29T21:41:00.000-04:002007-04-29T21:41:00.000-04:00Hmm... Tough one. In our context (rural Germany) i...Hmm... Tough one. In our context (rural Germany) it's even more extreme because the pre 1946ers have experienced so much more. It's also a far more traditional environment and church. From experience though the younger ones seem more willing to reach out to the older people. Many of the old folk try and stop anything changing then just sulk and stay away if things aren't to their liking. There’s not even very much mentoring- we are vary much “Professional Church” and that’s the youth pastor’s job. Older generations have always been told that pastor does stuff, they fill the pews on Sunday.<BR/><BR/>We also have another change: 1989. My Generation can remember people making a difference and the Wall coming down, whereas people born after that remember the continued economic struggle to bring 1/3 of our country from a mess to the same level as the rest and are more pessimistic about change.<BR/><BR/>I think another issue we have is that some (not all) of the older folk aren't Christians. They think they are, but never got to the relationship stage, just the tradition. So we have a lack of spiritual older people with experience who want to reach out to the young people: many just see the young people as a problem. Otherwise I'd suggest encouraging the older members to adopt younger ones in prayer and maybe discipleship. We made the mistake of trying to be cross-generational by asking to join an older small group. We were turned down flat for being "Too young"<BR/><BR/>Maybe one answer lies in getting the believers together across the generations first and then encouraging each group to reach out to their own generation. The believers could meet together once a week perhaps with the focus on encouraging each other and praying for each other in the specific situations each generational group is facing in their outreach. But that would require some major hurdles to be crossed. Thank goodness we aren’t ultimately responsible and the Holy Spirit can work beyond our means…Andy in Germanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10355384132590719230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-2421401502533075122007-04-29T19:20:00.000-04:002007-04-29T19:20:00.000-04:00oh pshaw webb - - you only wish ;)outside of tradi...oh pshaw webb - - you only wish ;)<BR/><BR/>outside of traditional institutional Christianity with programs and ministries up the wazoo, I've never seen really well integrated organic cross cultural communities...just like I haven't seen ethnically diverse communities outside of those environments. But we're praying that we can do it. I'd love to hear how others have done it.Makeeshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494813094595978277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-83622585692188498452007-04-28T20:09:00.000-04:002007-04-28T20:09:00.000-04:00Hey Jerry, bro, you're the one trying to get yours...Hey Jerry, bro, you're the one trying to get yourself into a position where you have to deal with it. Looks like its up to you to come back someday and teach us how, eh? ;)<BR/><BR/>Myself, I don't have any problem reaching across generational lines and reaching those young punks. They're too big for their britches and I can still tell 'em a thing or two. :DWebb Klinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09686751662694590781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-45920901409848041792007-04-28T12:04:00.000-04:002007-04-28T12:04:00.000-04:00I have a hard time seeing this happen in our envir...I have a hard time seeing this happen in our environment - - aside from service and mentors, there isn't much "mixing" of the generations and I'm not sure how (or if I want to) change that.Makeeshahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08494813094595978277noreply@blogger.com