tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post4255254331544459362..comments2023-05-14T11:54:09.648-04:00Comments on Becoming Missional: Missional FrustrationMissional Jerryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03496760677134661370noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-73507714889121720802007-04-25T10:49:00.000-04:002007-04-25T10:49:00.000-04:00Jerry,I've been dealing with the same frustration....Jerry,<BR/><BR/>I've been dealing with the same frustration. In my mind, there is a clear distinction between "emergent" and "missional."<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, many see these words as interchangeable.<BR/><BR/>I tried to address this here: <A HREF="http://pastorrod.blogspot.com/2007/04/missional-shmissional.html" REL="nofollow">Missional, Shmissional</A>.<BR/><BR/>RodPastor Rodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00219078094185232711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-77846523433704590282007-04-04T13:16:00.000-04:002007-04-04T13:16:00.000-04:00I have no problem saying I am a part of the emerge...I have no problem saying I am a part of the emergent conversation. But I think of Revolution as Missional.<BR/>And yes...I have had to state many times that the two are not the same thing!<BR/>Somewhere, someone go the idea that these terms are interchangible and they are not..as we all know.<BR/>At a recent church I attended the pastor said we need to be more missional. And then he got flack for being emergent - of which he is absolutely NOT.<BR/><BR/>It's interesting how the real meanings of words, and the percieved meanings of words can be so different.<BR/><BR/>I like what Alan Hirsch says in his book (which I'm reading) "The Forgotten Ways" that before the body of Christ is anything, we must be missional!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14670609970252209273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-576392432288681352007-04-04T11:55:00.000-04:002007-04-04T11:55:00.000-04:00I HATE LABELS!!!!Seriously, I know a ton of pastor...I HATE LABELS!!!!<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I know a ton of pastors around here who refer to their churches as 'emergent.' There isn't a cottonpickin' thing different from them than there ever was, but they call themselves emergent, I guess, so that they can be considered cool. <BR/><BR/>Now it is beginning to happen to the term missional. Here we go again. <BR/><BR/>I just tell people that I'm committed to being the hands and feet and heart of Jesus to the world the best I can. That makes sense to everyone no matter if they are believers or nonbelievers. <BR/><BR/>The mission I work with was named Heart to Hand over 15 years ago, long before missional and emergent was en vogue. It still defines what we are about better than anything I've heard. It still comes down to what we do, not who we claim to be.Webb Klinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09686751662694590781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-43783568251111436012007-04-04T07:00:00.000-04:002007-04-04T07:00:00.000-04:00Missional is very specific. Emerging can be almos...Missional is very specific. Emerging can be almost anything. I've had my own frustrations with the whole emerging church thing and had decided I'm not very emerging.<BR/><BR/>There are folks that talk alot about emerging missional. The interesting thing is that I haven't seen that many that fit the description<BR/><BR/>The emerging church seems more concerned with reaching the postmoderns by changing what it means to be a christian, but without really doing anything. Want to reach the postmoderns, go into their world and love them, but leave the distinctiveness of the faith in Jesus Christ intact.<BR/><BR/>That's why I haven't put the "friend of emergent" logo on my blog. I'll be part of the converstion, but it remains to be seen if I will be a friend or not.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05032895612434356862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-31386570103141091952007-04-04T04:36:00.000-04:002007-04-04T04:36:00.000-04:00I figure if Missional Church is from God, he can h...I figure if Missional Church is from God, he can handle someone in Wiki not agreeing with it. <BR/><BR/>Missional is partly about demonstrating before preaching and the simple fact that many members of very traditional churches more "Missional" shows the inaccuracy of this statement for what it is.Andy in Germanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10355384132590719230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-51234396833212082422007-04-04T01:22:00.000-04:002007-04-04T01:22:00.000-04:00"Wow Jerry, you are thinking just what I was think..."Wow Jerry, you are thinking just what I was thinking. I've attempted to change this Wiki entry about three time now, and each time it get changed back. Some on has an agenda! The statement is wrong and needs to be corrected. I mentioned this to Ed Stetzer last month and we talked about launching a campaign to do just that, so I'm headed over to Brother Maynard's now to see what can be done."<BR/><BR/>Rick - The Blind BeggarMissional Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03496760677134661370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29875527.post-25483566563684661812007-04-03T20:59:00.000-04:002007-04-03T20:59:00.000-04:00Amen Jerry... I get concerning when I hear people ...Amen Jerry... <BR/>I get concerning when I hear people comparing the two movements. Emerging has become an anti-establishment... anti-organized church... with a handful of "emergent stars" that is laying down the theology, the focus, etc. of this movement/ conversation. My experience is that at times... emerging, emergent is just different in their worship. It is about "us".<BR/><BR/>Missional is not about us... but about us being Jesus to our communities. It is about being Jesus incarnate to the hurting of our community. <BR/><BR/>Malcolm<BR/>http://www.completinggodsmission.com<BR/>Come to see John Maxwell for FREE! Go to http://www.fairfieldcc.com/maxwellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com